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TEXAS CHRISTIAN ADVOCATE.
2
June 26, 1902.
PROCEEDINGS GENERAL CONFERENCE
Please let us hear what blame.
TWELFTH DAY.
tween the two being that the one car- we are voting on.
A. B. Pugh:
Tuesday, May 20, 1902.
The Secretary then read the next
for the ayes and noes, and we are see- table.
(Continued from last week.)
as used in that place distinctly refers require it.
Yes, sir.
The Secretary then read the next this Conference at as early a day as
It simply states that the statements what it is that it- is proposed to lay follows:
So it is.
themselves were deceptive, in accord-
“That the entire sum collected, viz.,
I therefore raise the ance with the ideas which this Gen-
point of order that you cannot vote oral Conference has on ethical sub- the first item of the report.
States Government.”
upon it item by item; but we must jects, and comprehends judgment upon
I move to lay that on to take a vote on the pending ques-
vote upon it as a whole.
the statements without saying that
Is it a vote to adopt
the minority substitute—
I move to lay on the
I move the pending
question?
should vote for part of this paper and
I move to lay the
not vote for the other part—instead of substitute and all amendments of it
i
The Bishop:
ayes and noes?
of the body.
J. Cannon:
on the table.
The Bishop:
J. Cannon:
on the table.
The Bishop:
ries the conception of intentional de-
ception and the other does not
execution the above resolution.”
The call for the pending question
report.
The Bishop:
E. E. Hoss:
cal subjects.
S. S. Keener:
question.’
C. H. Briggs:
A. B. Pugh:
the table.
tion.
J. Cannon:
that?
A Delegate:
should adopt only part of it as a sub- clear the way to get that substitute
stitute. It seeems to me the question before the house.
The Bishop: Now you are prepared
a whole.
E. E. Hoss: Will you allow me to
it is an amendment to 88,000, be returned to the United was sustained.
and it is in order, I should like to
make one remark. When the proper
time comes I shall not object to go-
ing on the ayes and noes, not for one
single moment, but this is a proposi-
tion to decide whether we are going
to give these brethren who have adopt-
ed this proposed substitute—
B. F. Lipscomb: Dr. Hoss is not in
order.
The vote was taken on the motion
to take the ayes and noes, and the
vote stood—ayes, 59.
The Bishop: As the Chair under-
stands it, more than one-fifth of the
members of the body have ordered
the ayes and nays, and we will proceed
to take the ayes and nays on the ques-
tion of laying on the table.
The Bishop: Call has been made now that the resolution be laid on the first one on the table.
ask this
be called?
The Bishop: That is the question.
E. E. Hoss: If the vote is not taken
Suppose we
Gross Alexander: I want to know resolution in the minority report, as practicable a plan for carrying into
W. W. Smith: Can we not perfect the gentlemen who made these state-
ments intended to do wrong. And
adopting this paper as a substitute, we on the table. I do this in order to
E. E. Hoss: Will Dr. Smith allow we hold that the Conference ought to Conference understands. As I under-
the Chair to decide the point of or- positively put itself on record as giv- stand the motion, there is a call for
der? mg an opinion upon the character of the ayes and noes as to laying on the
The Bishop: I think we are not these statements n accordance with table. Now are We voting on that mo-
compelled to vote on the substitute as the views of the Conference on ethi- tion whether the ayes and noes shall
lay the resolution on the table, and “Second. That a committee of nine
The ayes and noes to lay the motion prevailed—ayes 155, the (9) members of the General Confer-
nays not being announced. ence be appointed, who. shall report to
E. E. Hoss: I rise to a point of or- to the word “statements,” and does
der before the reading again. As I not necessarily imply that there was
understand it, this minority report is intention on the part of the persons
offered as a substitute for the majority making the statements to do wrong.
house. They haven’t been read.
I renew my motion S. S. Keener: I move to lay that
Gross Alexander: Was that the mo-
tion of Dr. Briggs?
The Bishop: Yes, sir.
J. O. Branch: I don’t think the
B. F. Lipscomb: I call for the ayes
and nays on that.
The call for the ayes and nays was
sustained, and the Secretary proceed- table.
ed to call the roll, and the call result- The motion to lay the resolution on
ed as follows: Ayes 159, nays 105. the table prevailed.
The Bishop: And it lies on the The Secretary read the next resolu-
table. tion, as follows:
E. W. Alderson: We have laid on “That we heartily endorse the letter
the table by the vote of this Confer- written by our Bishops to the Senate
ence the essential resolutions of the of the United States. It showed their
minority report. While I do not like jealous care of the good name of the
the method of laying papers upon the Church and indicated a wise solution
table, because it savors of unkindness; of the matter.
but the minority report is practically A. B. Pugh. I move the adoption
is, whether this minority report, as a j. j. Tigert: I rise to a point of —. • ueue "ueue.We ale 015 eviscerated, and there is but little left, of that.
.... . . ________ „ +1, to give these brethren who have adopt- TA Delegate: I move to lay it on the
report, shall be put in the place of the order— 51,1 Therefore, I move not to lay on the A —ene8a-en - —-5 w
. . ed this proposed substitute— table
majority report? B. F. Lipscomb: I rise to a point . table, but to move the previous ques- •
The Bishop : The whole matter is of rder. B. F. Lipscomb: Dr. Hoss is not in tion ‘n an that remains of the minority The motion prevailed.
revised under the motion to adopt the j j Tigert: Mvy point of order is order . . report. W. F. McMurry. I move a
6 . J 1 The vote was taken on the motion 1E . paper read sometime ago for the in-
report as a whole. that the motion to lay the whole sub- . . ? , .. The Bishop: What is the remainder P
.,.,11 to take the ayes and noes, and the P formation of the Conference be made
Paul Whitehead: I submit there stitute on the table is not in order vote stood—ayes, 59. of the report? substitute for the majority report,
has been no motion to adopt the report because the whole substitute is not The BiShop: As the Chair under- E. W. Alderson: The preamble and mhe motion was seconded.
of the minority for the report of the before us, but only item one, as we stands it, more than one-fifth of the two resolutions, I believe. j Q Wilson. i want to move to
majority. There was a motion made agreed to consider it item by item. members of the body have orderea Jas. Campbell: The first part of the tabie the entire minority report, so the
to substitute this resolution of the mi- c. H. Briggs: My motion is on the ayes and nays, and we will proceed minority report has never been offered way be clear for the paper we de-
nority report, which was read, for the this single item that is pending. to take the ayes and nays on the ques- as a substitute for the other. It was sire to read.
first resolution of the majority re- j. j. Tigert: I beg your pardon; I tion of laying on the table. only these resolutions. A Delegate: I raise the point of or-
port. These two matters alone are be- misunderstood you. J. Cannon: Before we begin the Paul Whitehead: I move to post- der that the minority report is not be-
fore the house, as I understand ituno B. F. Lipscomb: I understood the call I would like to ask for informa- pone indefinitely the whole of the mi- fore us. That part that was before
preamble, no report, nor no anything mover to move that the substitute tion Did I understand the Chair to nority report not yet voted on: That us has been disposed of.
else, except that first resolution. The and amendment be laid on the table. rule distinctly that when this vote is before the house because it is on The Bishop: Seriatim, however,
brother distinctly moved that first I rose to make the point Dr. Tigert was taken to lay the amendment on the calendar, and he moves that it be retired as a
-eresolution as a substitute for the first made, that this is not in order be- L,L+,1 +Lt- lies with it +he E. W. Alderson: I raisn,threDons 11. _
ty. The minority report is not before acted on. °fdeprresoj.tion motion is to lay qu estion takes precedence over a mo- J- o Wuson: 1 move that the “ '
the house. "The Bishop: You can lay an amend- Lth n , an y tion tor postponement. tire minority report, preamble and
The Bishop: I think that a motion ment on the table, and the very best —IK. ,.2 u -n •+ Paul Whitehead: There is no pre- al
is made to substitute the minority re- authorities say that to lay an amend- ’ ‘ 4 5 10n5! "l / vious question, except to vote on the A Delegate. A point of order: The
port as a whole for the report of the ment on the table is to lay the prin- 6 POis1 6 0 2 °P . a 4 a frst minority report. There has been no preamble is not before us.
majority. cipal on the table as well. . motion made to substitute the minori- .ne Bishop. The whole report is
E. E. Hoss: If that be true, I insist B. F. Lipscomb: Do I understand wil o L, Conference 526 5 °n 5 ty report as a whole for the majority, before us. There has been no motion
that we cannot vote upon this item. the Chair to rule that if the amend- ‘ The motion was made to substitute to adopt, however. The Chair thinks
B. F. Lipscomb: I call for the ment offered by Dr. Hoss should be t , ganoni an " 86 a toe on just one resolution, and then another, the motion is in order.
reading of the resolution of the mi- taken that would carry with it the “4.. u. and then another for those of the ma- The motion to lay the whole report
nority report and not for the reading substitute—the first resolution’ 5.59i 0 uint " 4 6. jority report, and they were voted on on the table prevailed.
of the entire report; and my motion The Bishop: The main question om. 6 ahe, ° course: ow e separately. W. F. McMurry: I renew my motion
was to substitute the resolutions in with it. . E. W. Alderson: My point of order that this paper read by the Secretary
this paper for those in the majority B. F. Lipscomb: I do not so under- ’ ' desoni : rise o a P4It is that the motion was originally to some time ago by request of the Con-
report; and then, we decided to take stand it. 0 o. e _ an "6 In. V0 18 ,n 1S take up as a substitute the resolutions ference be made a substitute for the
them up item by item. I submit it is The Bishop: A motion to lay on the Huestion81Ve our explanation, of the minority report. Afterwards majority report.
• • he BishoD • NO sir
perfectly competent for the Confer- table is sometimes abused, but it is ' ’ ’ . there was a motion to take them up G. M. Napier: Mr. President and
xr '-'v — L, VI A i ci ergon * n a I is w h A t D)r ‛ -AM
ence to that—either to vote upon intended simply to defer action. ’ ' seriatim, but there was a motion to Brethren—I will detain you but a few
the resolution as a whole or item by B. F. Lipscomb: If that is the ruling At1s Aa Sn8n 6’ ]U I K -f take them all up, and it is that motion moments. At a meeting last night
item, which latter we have decided of the Chair, with all deference— tun’ a any rig o exp am i . on which I move the previous ques- of conservative men, assembled for the
to do, and which now we propose to Thomas Shackleford: It is true that Th ayes an nays Wet tnawen tion. sole purpose of trying to find some
do. I see nothing at all irregular in in our parliamentary rules, in ordi- on the motion to ay on E e a e, re- B F. Lipscomb: The essential reso- common Christian ground upon which
the proposition nary meetings, in civil courts and civil suiting as follows: Ayes 152; nays 112. lutions having already been acted up- we could all meet, and save at the
-u- F---r • rmhe Rishone T t lies on the tahle ---
The Bishop- I think Brother Lips- conventions and legislatures, your L. ' ‘ on, the remaining two go as a matter same time our obligation and the hon-
comb is correct. Honor’s (laughter) ruling is right. But A aBinpuhimo t" ’ ' of course. We can vote on them and or of the church, this paper, which
J P Strother- I raise the point of we have never adopted that ruling in remaining resoiuuo o o ty complete the course we started out on. I had the honor largely ot drafting
order that this body has just ordered General Conferences. As Bishop Me- report he lai on e o E w Alderson: There is no room was presented to that body and was
the reading of that paper and nothing Tyeire decided at Memphis, and de- B. F. Up pDetedhtt t0 for debate under a motion for the acceptable. Let me say that, although
else is in order until that is read, cided at different times th- . t " oder rraolutious one by one previous question. • that paper may not go as far as som
This question of order raised by Dr. The Bishop: I do not think this take U phesesresolutio if b the The Bishop: There is no occasion would go in the direction of criticism,
Hoss relates to a matter anterior to General Conference has any special A & Puhi Im e for debate. _ and it may go further than some
10 . .1. rule on the subject. aecision oi me -nar mat an me res J. Cannon: I rise for information, would ho as to the matter nt ..
that. We are now listening to the Lomas Shackleford- I sav it was olutions may not be laid on the table 1, I1 , nrevious Question now " 1 -o ‛ the 1 ney,
papen.oprozos, "onisssmyoams not iy biskop McTyelre that we a one-vote that the second resolution oe iNa g0 dear throl]gll t0 the ma. padt in thepatt thatone state”'the
,, could move to lay an amendment on De ald on tne taDie- jority report also? history of this case the reasonc
for the vote upon the paper. he Rishon. Yon had better wait 2 1. , .. y un1s case, the reasons for
The Secretary read the paper offer- the table and that did not carry the unffl it is under consideration The Bi shop: , ,h , our action, and it also goes to the
ed by W. F. McMurry for the informa- original resolution. nnt.l^tm under consrderabom w. W. Smith: I move the pend- point of raising the money which was
tion of the Conference, and the same , E. E.Hoss: I rise to a point 0 or Ing oF the second resolution beforead ing question. . > . diverted, no matter by what agency
appears later in the proceedings when Briggs' motion distinctly sald that he is voted upon. to Dr. Alderson's motion, that we take or raising ^-asom mwntfal short
offered as a substitute for the ma- wished to lay, not really the amend- The Secretary read the resolution, up the majority report and let the s diverted, we are still open twas
-orePpt.ppy. - . state ment, but the original item, on the as follows: majority put what they please in it bly to criticism or to objection from
M. F. McMurry. I desire o e table. It is not a question as to wheth- 2. That while we recognize the en- and settle it. the aliens of thia Church , ,
that when.it shall become proper a er laying the amendment on the table tire sincerity of the Book Committee, The Bishop: The call is for the raise it all it will lie in the l."e
motion will be made to substitute t ns would carry the original matter, but whose report has been submitted to pending question. of no one, whether he be a smot
for the report from the Commi ee on the question is whether the Confer- this Conference, and realize that in a E. W. Alderson: I withdraw my or a common voter in this country r
Publishing Interests. ence is competent by its own action very trying and difficult position, its motion for the previous question and criticise the action of this Church 1
The Bishop: The question before to lay both the amendment and the members have labored zealously and accept the substitute for the pending ground of objection or ground of o 2.
you is the adoption of the first item original item on the table, conscientiously for what they con- question. icism from which resulted the s,1
of the minority report. The Bishop: I think the Conference ceived to be the good of the Church, S. S. Keener: I move to lay the investigation of this matter was that
E. E. Hoss: I move to amend the is competent to do so if it chooses, and that this report expresses their next section on the table, misrepresentations were made in re-
item by striking out the words, “Mis- And the motion is to lay on the conscientious convictions, yet this The Bishop: Do you intend your gard to the amount of money to b^
leading and deceptive,” and inserting table. Conference cannot agree with the con- motion to the pending question to ap- paid out. We make a clean breast of
the words, “ambiguous and, therefore, H. E. W. Palmer: I call for the aye? elusions reached by them touching ply to the first of these two remaining it. We say put it all back- make th
liable to mislead,” the difference be- and noes. the means used to collect this claim, resolutions? You have already or- fund intact; and to strengthen that
Will you order the and expresses its decided dissent dered that they be taken up seriatim.
It requires one-fifth therefrom, in so far as these conclu- Seth Ward: There is no motion to
sions exonerate the Book Agents from adopt these resolutions before the
J. Cannon: The word, "Deceptive," ing now whether a fifth of the body The vote was taken on the motion to resolution, as follows:
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