Well, I recall this little German man from St. Louis would come to Lockhart and start
selling my father all these things.
My father bought everything, he just practically bought everything he offered him, and it was
just wonderful.
Of course, we had a very nice Jewish group of people in Lockhart at that time.
I don't recall how many families were here, 12, 15 families,
but they were made good customers.
And as I said before, all the people from Europe liked that kind of food.
and I might say that the people that have been living here for 50 years
previous they learned to like it too. It was very good and of course now we're
getting back to the rest of the apartments. My dad had the most beautiful fruits I've
ever seen. He used to buy fruit from a farmer named Pruitt Commission in San
and tone and uh i never will recall that the american the express man used to bring a complete
truckload of fruit all of it from my father just the most beautiful fruits i've ever seen
pears and peaches from california and from wherever great big gorgeous
Oh, I remember one time my dad brought in a carload of bananas to Lockhart.
And I was a young boy, and I remember going to that ice.
It was refrigerated.
I remember eating enough bananas to have a bellyache at that time.
But my father bought a carload of bananas for a little retail store.
And he sold most of them from the car.
one of his children
I was there many times
I was there most of the time
and we just had people
come by with so much
maybe a bunch of bananas
for 75 cents
or whatever
somewhere around 50 to a dollar
according to the size of it
but that shows you
it shows you
the value
of money
at that time bought lots of
merchandise
you talked about a carload now
a carload, a train carload
on the track
and they
left it on the siding for about
three days, after three days
you had to pay so much a day
that's the rules
I think they'll leave a carload or something on the siding
so many days
at that time it was three days, then after that
you paid so much a day or you
hauled it off. And my father
kept it there so many days and sold it
and when he had to leave it, he brought the rest to the
store. Anyhow,
as I said before,
and you've asked
me the question before, I'm going to finally
get to the habits
of the people, but
I think I started to tell you,
I recall very vividly
that once every year
or maybe once every nine
months or every ten months,
But in the area of a year, I recall so vividly, a covered wagon would come to town with four bullocks, big oxen, bullocks, and a great big man with a black hat, about a four and a half or five inch wide brim Stetson, would come for provisions.
and he'd roll right in front of my father's store
and he would trade only with my father
and he'd buy enough provisions to last him practically a year
until he came back
and he'd go to crisis
and he'd fill up with sausage and barbecue
it was better then than it is now
much better
because the sausage was pure
because they didn't have to
they could use all the ingredients
they didn't have to use the cheapest part
they could use the best
and I recall that
it used to come in the muddy streets
our streets were muddy
full of mud
and the sidewalks had planks
boarded up
And I recall when it rained real hard, how terribly slushy the streets were, and if you
walked across the street, there was no way of not being, you have your mud all over your,
above your ankles
and most people
try to wear boots
and leggings
and
I'm still teasing you
I haven't told you
about the crowds
but I'll get to it
anyhow
everybody came to town
on Saturday
you didn't see anybody
on weekdays
unless it was an emergency
everybody came to town
on Saturday
who was everybody
anybody that could
catch a ride
on Saturday
came to town
Some people didn't come but one Saturday a month.
Some people came one Saturday, every other Saturday.
But Saturday was the day.
Here was Lockhart, a small town of 1,800, one year, one decade.
On the early, let's say, 1905 to 1910 or 15, next 2,300, small town.
On Saturday, over 10,000 people were in town, every Saturday.
what were they doing
having the time of their lives
I used to
stand on dad's corner
and the Lockhart Mercantile
was another credit store
that's right where
this lady's right where
Kenya's
right next to my clothing store on the corner
there was a Masonic temple above
and there was Lockhart Mercantile
belonged to the Cardwell brothers
I have seen
between that store and my dad's store
in that corner where
you had a four way traffic
traffic going
north and south
east and west
are you familiar with that corner
I have seen right in that
complex area there
I have seen
nearly every Saturday
or at least one Saturday
or two Saturdays a month
I've seen
I saw killings
I saw
one fight after another
I saw
I saw the police beat people over the head
I remember one guy clubbed a man to death
with an axe handle
right in that corner
That was probably the worst corner because there was a saloon where my dad's store was.
There was Kreutz's right over there with a drink, you know, a silver beer.
There was a saloon right where the, right across the dad's store where there's a barbershop now on the corner.
There was a saloon two doors down from the corner where the Masonic building was.
And with that many saloons and that many wild people come to town, they all come to town to have a good time.
there's bound to have been some altercations
not only bound to be
but there were
and people
this was really Lockhart
let me tell you
before I tell you about what Lockhart was
people
when they came to Lockhart
what they wanted was a red bottle of soy water
or a bottle of beer
or a glass of beer
and Christ's barbecue
my lord
that was the most
terrific thing in the world
they didn't have to go to
there were restaurants
there were a few restaurants in town
but there was nothing like
Christ's Barbecue
I don't think there's anything like it now
I had a man visit me
from Atlanta, Georgia yesterday
he was a retired investment man
and he said he lived here
for a year or so
in the early 50's
and he told me yesterday
he said
I just had to come back to Lockhart
something brought me back
and I said to him
I know what brought you back
I've had some friends that came to see me
in the last 5 or 10 years
said they haven't been to Lockhart in 30 years
one of the reasons they wanted to come here was to see me
and I said that may be one of the reasons
but the main reason is you came to eat
Christ's Barbecue
and everyone admitted it
including this man that I talked to yesterday
he said I've already been there
And he said, not only did I eat there, but I bought a whole box full of linked sausage and barbecue I'm taking home with me.
And anyhow, these people used to just go around and around.
They would just walk around the square, having the time of their lives, fighting and boozing and colored people.
and I mean we called them colored people then
and Latins
and ignorant people
and smart people and people in boots
and wide brim hats
and when it rained
it was muddy and it was awful
but people were just having
the times of their life
and as I said before
this was really a wild
one of the wildest towns in the United States
this was a wild town
this was one of the wildest towns in Texas
it was
I mean
they started the cattle drives to
to Kansas
in this area
Colonel Myers
lived here
lived here in Lockhart
and
lots of cattle
lots of cowboys
when I talk about cowboys
a cowboy
led a tough life
he was either a Latin
or a black man or a white man
and dirty and smelled bad
and never took a bath.
I'm talking about most of them.
And it wasn't their fault.
I mean, there was no water available.
I remember the barbershop,
Mr. Whiteside's barbershop,
three doors down from my dad's store.
Why, the biggest business he did was
for two bits you'd go down there
take a warm bath in his bathtub
on Saturday nights, that's where people went
there was more of that
going on, no there was no
facilities at home
to take a bath, only to get there
was just chop you some wood
make you some hot water
put it in a small
small bucket or something
get in there
and of course
it's very easy to
you know
think that things have
this happened a thousand years ago
but it doesn't
I remember when I went to University of Texas
I was 60 years old
and I remember telling some of the city slickers
in the boarding house that I lived in
that we
that we didn't have inside plumbing
and they didn't believe me
and it was two years
two years
it was two years later
when we first had inside plumbing
I was 18 years old
There was nothing uncommon about it. My dad was a merchant. He had a Buick. My dad was a leading grocery merchant in this county and we had a Buick. I remember. We had outside plumbing. I'm just trying to show you how things have changed in 60 years or 50 years or whatever. You understand?
But anyhow, anyhow, this, this, this, I remember having a, used to have a, used to have from the Katy Depot, there was a, drawn by two horses. They used to have like a trolley car that brought the freight.
Of course, some people would ride on it, you know, the passengers, because there was no passenger service. We didn't have any taxis, of course. Everything was driven by horses and, you know, wagons and buggies.
But I recall, I remember so well that when they started to gravel in the roads around the courthouse, gee, that was a tremendous improvement.
When was that?
Well, I'm trying to recall, I'm trying to recall, I know, I remember when in 1918, when my two elder brothers went to the University of Texas, they were, of course, they were in the, they were in, I was 13 years old, and Moses was 16 and Morris was 18, or Moses, yes, or 17.
but I recall they were the student army training camp
at the University of Texas
they were in the army
Moses was too young to be in the regular army
Morris was in the regular army
but they were trained to be officers
in the Royal War
and
I recall
I was 13 years old
that's how old I was
and I recall I was in the
13
I was in 9th grade
1450, yeah. 9th, 10th, 11th. I was in the 9th grade, and I remember that that year, that was 1918, I remember the influenza. I recall the influenza epidemic, and it was a horrible thing.
I saw two Latin people die in the courthouse long, you know, waiting.
They just came to town to see a doctor.
And I remember just the credit stores bringing in truckloads.
Not lots of them, but I remember two truckloads of coffins.
The credit stores sold them to the people who lived on the farms.
It was just awful.
But I recall when my brothers, my father had this big grocery store, just my father and my mother.
And my father had not had the opportunity to learn how to read the English language.
And I recall I used to leave the house in the morning and bring my father to work.
I would open the store with Dad, and I would stay there until about 15.
No, my mother came down too. We'd have breakfast first. I'd come to the store in the Buick.
I'd go to, I would go to school, and at noon I would come.
We had a maid at the house. I would go by the house and pick up lunch for my father and mother and bring it.
And we'd bring it to the store, and they'd go in the back and eat, and I'd watch the front. Then about 20 minutes to 1, I'd get in the Buick and go to my house, which was right across from the school, and eat dinner, and go to school.
after school at 3.30 or 4
I'd come to the store
and I kept the books at home at night
that year I didn't bring
I didn't bring one book home
I had to do all my studying at school
it was very simple I had to do it so I did it
and that's the nature of the brute
all of us can do what we have to do
and there was no sacrifice
at that time
I think that's also the story of
lots of young people
in that time
you know at that time
everybody worked
young boys at the farm worked
they had to get up early
they had to feed the cows
before they went to school
there was nothing uncommon about what I'm saying
but I'm just trying to show you the difference
at that time
as it is today
there's quite a bit of difference
anyhow we go
get back to these crowds in town
you know I recall
an incident and I wished I could
recall
I wish I could recall the time
but it's
we had a
sheriff by the name of
John Franks
a tall, handsome
six foot three
or six foot four sheriff
he would have
been a
movie star or a television star
today, better than
anybody got on television, he was a fine
gentleman
he got into some kind of
altercation
with
city constable
John Smith
and they had a gun
fight in the courthouse
on the steps inside
and
Sheriff Frank killed
John Smith
there was going to be a trial
It was a great, it was a, it was a, it was a great interesting thing that happened in
the county. It was the talk of the county. You know, two police, but two, two people,
one was a city constable and the other was a county sheriff, had a fight. I was a young
man I don't recall I really don't recall whether I was 10 years old or 12 years
old but I was a very young person and I remember one evening just before dusk my
father used to buy watermelons I think I mentioned that earlier but one of the
ways the dad sold lots of watermelons in front of his store. He would lay these watermelons,
not in front of the door, but at the edge of the walk, sidewalk, you know, one after
another. There'd be a row of watermelons from the length of his 40-foot front, you know,
as you walk, you know, from the street onto the sidewalk. And people used to come by and
pick one up. How much is it? Fifteen cents, ten cents. You might sometimes get one as
high as twenty, but sometimes some for a nickel, little ones, mid-bounce. And of course, our
store used to open up real early and stay up until eight, nine o'clock at night on Saturday
nights at midnight, and Sunday would come down at ten o'clock till twelve, trying to
to make a living. Anyhow, it was dusk, or just before dusk, and I recall my dad telling
me and my brothers, bring in the watermelons. When we were ready to close, we'd bring in
the watermelons. You know, put them inside the store in the morning, we'd take them out.
I had just
taken a couple of these watermelons in the store
and I walked out
and I heard
two or three shots
east near the jail
and you could hear
toward the end of the day
it was quiet
most people were home
you know going home for supper
I said oh my god
somebody's killed somebody
and I said
I'm going to run down there and see what happens
and my father said
no you're not
don't you get mixed up
you stay right here
no way
not six horses or six hundred horses
could have kept that young man
and I ran
and
there used to be the
Southern Pacific Railway
where Highway 183 is
came through the locker
and then
right next to that
was some
was a wooden structure
where the train used to come
and you'd take merchandise off
beer
grain or what
you know on the wooden structure
and then there was a road
and then there was a jail
and the structure was high
from the ground
so it would meet the, you know, the doors of the train, of the cars, freight cars.
And someone had gotten below those, it was almost high as a man, you know, four or five feet high,
had gotten below there, and when the Sheriff Franks had passed by to go, he lived at the jail.
the bomb. They used a shotgun and assassinated him. When I got there, the sheriff, that man,
that handsome six-foot-three, was laying on the ground, dead of course, with his brains
all over. By that time, the deputy sheriff, Walt Ellison, was there with a pistol in his
hand he was nervous there's no reason to have a pistol in his hand but he had the
pistol his hand and he was shaking by that time there must have been quite a
crowd you know in that area because you had the the depot was there and the
depot was always had people there you know it was about that time that the
train came in from Yocum and it was quite a crowd there and as long as I
live I'll never forget that scene and that is just part of the Western growing up that this
town had and I again repeat this was a wild town I just recall so many things and there's some
things that that I would prefer not to even tell there was some very rude there I don't want to
to use the word rude, that's the wrong word.
There were some very mean, ugly things that happened.
It's not worth telling, but I recall so realistically
so many things that happened.
You know, around the square, I remember,
but I'll talk about more delightful things,
I remember our big carnivals around the square.
Oh, they were wonderful, we had.
You mentioned Juneteenth. Was there actual celebration in time?
Oh, we used to have parades. They were lovely. The black people tried to emulate the white
people's parades. It's strictly a black, and they would get so excited. Well, as far as
that's concerned, we recognized the SSAs September the 16th. I was mayor for ten years, and every
the year that I was mayor, I addressed 2,000 to 3,500 people every D.S.S.A. and I danced
with the queen. And after I quit, that was the end of that. Used to be big celebrations
out here in Kuckaburr, but the Mexican people don't observe it anymore here. And the colored
people don't observe Juneteenth anymore. And I think the Diez de Seis was a recognition
of the Hidalgo. I think the Grito, G-R-I-T-O, that was the, that's in Spanish means the
cry, the cry of Hidalgo. He told them to get up and demand their freedom from Spain and
I don't see why they shouldn't continue to be proud of that. I think that the black people
I'll always be very, very proud of the emancipation,
Lincoln's emancipation.
But we're getting away from what you want me to tell you about,
if you understand.
But anyhow, I've talked about these carnivals,
if you don't mind me telling you about them.
They were great.
If it ends, just I noticed plenty on here.
I just wanted to make sure it didn't end right in the middle of your story.
Yeah, well, I can recall.
But these carnivals were something great.
Because, as I said before, people used to come to town on Saturdays.
They were full of enthusiasm and full of everything.
I thought they had to do something.
I don't mean a thing. That's an old clock.
anyhow and when these carnivals came it was a great thing they would would they
they would come from someplace else that we're in this isn't a local carnival
coming a train or something they would come there these this these are big car
who we had I was in I was in in in Boston last year before last let's see
Boston was Washington now I was in Boston two years ago and I went to
Barnum and Bailey you know one of the indoor sport places they have a
tremendous place in Boston and I saw a motorcycle show and I recall with
nostalgia I really did why we had that there 50 years ago it was better I was
more it was more exciting then you understand we had they used to have right in front of dad's store
they used to have these motorcycle things where they you know that that of course was very very
they didn't have as much rooms they wanted but they did a beautiful job we used to have
they used to have big snakes and little snakes and baboons and already i'm not talking about
of circus. I'm talking about a carnival. Had all kinds of things. It was completely surrounded the
whole square and the side streets. And there was killings every time there was a carnival.
Several. I doubt if there was a carnival at that time there wasn't one or two killings.
No doubt. As far as that goes, during the D.S.S.A. there was always many, many years there were
killings well you get a group of two three four thousand people that drink lots
sweethearts friends old friends new friends young people bound to get in altercations and that
happened and i remember
we had uh barnum and baylor never came here but we had
the next
to the biggest circus in the world
came to Lockhart. I don't know
why, but they did.
See, this was
a much better business town
than Seguin or Luling
or Bastrop or San Marcos.
This was a real
it was a come and go town.
You know, lots of money. People spent
lots of
merchants here too.
lots of Jewish merchants as well as others and people traded here that's
what made Dallas big was there's lots of merchants and manufacturers came there
at the beginning East Texas made Dallas of course anyhow
I'm trying to think of the name of his gentry brothers I think they came here
But the reason I'm telling you, sir, about the circus, we were very proud to have that circus here because it was next to the biggest circus in the world.
Borum Bela was the biggest.
And we had, of course, they always had their parades.
It was to see a horde of elephants, not one or two, but a horde of them, you know, maybe 20 of them, you know, and all kinds of stuff.
but the reason I recall this
that they needed an interpreter
they had people from all over
you know most of these churches
consist of people from Europe
even today
tightrope walkers
or the lion tamers
or what's come from Germany
and Austria
and Romania
and all those places
they needed an interpreter
and my father was the interpreter
my father spoke many languages
But how did they find out about my father?
So simple.
They needed some groceries, some provisions.
They came to my dad's store.
There were people coming to the store who couldn't speak English.
Next thing they knew, my dad was speaking to one guy in Czech
and one guy in German and one guy in Polish.
Do you understand?
And so they used my dad as an interpreter.
That's the reason I remember that.
That's, that's, you know, you remember things like that. Anyhow, of course, Lockhart, as I said before, it finally started growing up, I guess, I guess after the war.
I'm sure it was after the war
when Lockhart started to grow up
because lots of the men
left home
some went to
spend time at Fort Dix in New Jersey
you know some
spent time in Houston
lots of them went to France
you know, England
wherever and they got away from here
found out there was another world
and lots of things happened
of course we had this Luling oil field
that came in
East Texas
oil field came in later
people found opportunities
to make a living and went there
lots of people went to Luling
19 I guess when I was 22
we found
the Darst Creek field
right across from Guadalupe County
a year or two later
I remember the drought of 1925
it would have been the most
most terrible thing
could have happened to this county
had not something happened
we had a complete drought
and it did rain just a little
like a dew one day and a little rain
one day and we finally made a small
cotton crop, it wasn't sufficient
the little spring oil field
came in in 1925
I believe the Lord had something
to do with that because
that was an awful time
and that little boom
took up the slack
and
this area
lots of things
have happened in the last
40 years, 30 years
now we're
just another
growing
area, you know, in central
Texas complex
and of course I could
relate lots of things
have happened in the last 30, 40 years
that I recall.
After all, I've lived uptown
on the city council
as mayor for 10 years.
And I could talk about
any part of my life here
because I was born here.
And the only time I've been out of city living
is when I went to San Antonio last Sunday
and some other times.
anyhow
I can
I'm just trying to recall some things
maybe you should ask me some questions
because I can elaborate
or try to elaborate on anything you want to ask me
well I'm curious
about the
I think
we better stop
if we're
getting tired
it's about 15 after 9
so I think it
well you want to finish that
I'm curious about this
you kept talking about this man with the white hat
and the covered wagon there
and I wondered if
oh and the black hat
and the black hat yeah
where was he going
what was he doing
you said he stopped up for a year
oh he lived in Delhi
I see
did he just come in once a year
I said once a year like
maybe sometimes it was every 10 months
sometimes it was 13 months
but a time a year
well it's the only time he came
And he stayed out there in Delhi.
Well, that was where he was, see.
Now, there are other people who lived closer and had maybe a little better road.
But I've talked to, well, you could talk today to Dr. Ross,
Admiral Ross, the son of the doctor that brought me into this world, the son.
And he could tell you that when he brought a baby into this world,
if somebody was really deathly sick,
that he'd have to go on muddy roads,
have to have them meet him in a creek when the creek was run over.
You know, everybody thinks that a good road
and good facilities to get somewhere has just been here forever.
But they haven't been here forever.
And some of them haven't been here very long.
it just didn't happen overnight
there was mud roads
no bridges
and Plum Creek used to run over
of course
because of the
the dams itself
but there's been lots of changes
people have built and changed up
the whole
the whole complex
It's the whole natural complex has changed, the natural environment is different.
Because people have just used up, put concrete in areas, you know, things are not like they
used to be.
But that's out of my field, I can't explain it, except I know it's happened and I've seen
it happen.
people may not even realize what's happened. I remember we lived, we lived
south of town before, when I was a little young, like four, five, six years old, and
from my house to the, walk to the store, there was a little bitty, just a little
bitty, little bitty creek, right this side of H-E-B. I used to go watch the minnows,
the crawfish it's not there anymore but you can multiply that a hundred times about the big
creeks you know like plum trees and all that but uh people just couldn't get anywhere and after
they got here as i told you earlier it was pretty tough to get around the road they're mud roads you
couldn't you just couldn't make it a wagon could make it sometimes the horses got bogged up
no way they just couldn't make it the mules couldn't make it
and that's why people only came to town first of all it took a long time to get to town
a horse the buggy a horse in the wagon can't get the town as quick as a
Ford, a little Ford, a little Tin Lizzy, which was the next thing. Tin Lizzy could go thirty
miles an hour, but the horse, the horse and the mule went eight miles an hour, or whatever.
And the roads were muddy. As we got our first Tin Lizzy, we got a little better roads. We
could start traveling the roads.
Well, when did the 10 Lizzie's start coming in, the policy?
The 10 Lizzie's?
1910?
I guess 10 Lizzie's came around 1914, 1912, 14, 15, 16.
That was the big thing for a long, long time.
Do you remember when you saw your first one?
No, I remember better than that.
I remember when we lived near the schoolhouse, Mr. Adolph Seawater and his son Alfred built
the first car in Lockhart.
They built it.
I think that's the first car I've ever seen.
They just lived down the street from us, and we lived on Ice Street, and they lived about
two doors, two or three doors
down east
on the other side
and they built
the first automobile
and
but actually
recalling, you know, the first
Tim Lizzie Ford
I don't recall
I really don't recall at all
but I sure do
recall
I recall
one of the things
entertainment
I was in Washington
in August
of this year
and we went
maybe you saw it on television
we saw
we went to
the 200th anniversary
of the stage
I think they had it at the
is it the Lincoln Memorial
you know that Canada's Memorial
what do they call it
they don't call it Canada
Lincoln
Lincoln Center
well they had a part of the building
they were showing the
you know
the drama
the history of drama
200 years
And it made me very nostalgic. It showed these road shows, tent shows. I'm sure you've never heard of that. Have you? Have you heard of a tent show?
So, Clark Gable started one of those, believe it or not.
But I want to tell you about, and I was telling my children, my son and his wife,
we were seeing this thing, very fascinating.
But I told Michael, my son Michael and his wife Marilyn,
I said, I recall I can see Mr. Grandy.
His name was G-R-A-N-D-E.
He was a handsome Italian.
And he was portly. He looked like Caruso, handsome. And he had one of the finest tent shows in the United States. He came to Lockhart every year, or every other year.
And I remember how he used to, the reason I remember him so well is because of two or three, two or three items that I remember. First of all, he used to, he used to be, come to Peeper's Saloon, and he would treat people to beer.
That's what people did. On the house, and that little boy used to look in there, I couldn't
go in there, and I used to look with great admiration and fascination. This group of
a fine citizen. Mr. Reynolds was the Southern Pacific, what do you call it, agent. That
was the boss. And he was one. They'd have all these celebrities, the lawyers, the doctors,
the you know the biggest people in town he would treat them to a beer because he
was like Claire Gable it was like some big movie star or television star today
you follow me and and then I recall I used to go to the show and I was
fascinated great in a tent have drama stage show it was just wonderful and my
My two brothers sold peanuts.
This wasn't connected with the opera house here.
No, uh-uh.
That was a different...
No, I remember the opera house too.
But I recall this, this tent show.
There'd be other tent shows, but the Grandy show was the one that was it.
I'd see Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.
They'd announce what was going to be tomorrow night, who would be the stars in it, who would
be...
You know what I mean?
was the best actor of all. He took different parts and had some beautiful actresses that
have comedy in between, slapstick, and of course, and I remember my two, Boz and Morris,
my two brothers used to sell soda water and peanuts, popcorn. You know, they'd walk up.
It'd be a, have you ever been in a tent show, Barnum and Bailey? It would be just like that
except not as big and and and and the reason that was so successful well because what could you and
me do in 1910 there was nothing to do except go to church you understand and uh as benjamin
franklin said well you he got tired of going to church because his preacher said the five reasons
to go into church
and all the reasons
was just for the church
he wouldn't give
a good reason
one was to
study the bible
one was
to attend the meetings
you get my point
I'm just
no offense man
but
Benjamin Franklin
says
I can't repeat
the five things
I might if I try
to recollect
that his pastor
would say
the five reasons
to go into church
was not
to learn to be good
or you know
I mean
or
observe the commandments
but one was
to come to the meeting
and one was to read the Bible.
It was all pertaining to the church,
but it wasn't telling the good.
And he says he would rather figure out himself
whether it would be good for him
than to listen to that particular preacher.
He wasn't talking about the church,
but he was talking about the preacher of the church.
Well, the same way,
there was what could a man do besides go to church?
There was no radio, no television,
and let's be honest with each other.
Very few people could read.
so how could they enjoy reading they couldn't read we we forget we all forget i remember when
i was a little boy a teacher was a great person because the teacher could read and write
i recall so vividly how many people i mean people that i'm so couldn't write couldn't read