Christian Messenger. (Bonham, Tex.), Vol. 8, No. 42, Ed. 1 Wednesday, December 13, 1882 Page: 2 of 8
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C H R I Sa*Tl^> MESSENGER.
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12ITER VIEW WITS L. W- SVOTT-
^WULPFWR SPJtTtfGS.
OTHER MA fflmLRS* W-
E*Utor,—How
Scott? *
are
you,
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iry well; how are jTou?
from SulphurSprings?
S — Recently.
ra.^l^yVmnieaflTircTena^
between-* Oaskey and my igood
frieiid, Anderson?
8—Part of it. * Being engaged,
in a1 protracted meetiugf, I naiseed
the discussion on close commtin-
of baptism, i *n:i
Ed.—How did Anderson come
to debate with Caskey ? He has
avoided debate with our preachers
heretofore. It-s a'little singular
he would commence on one of our
“biggest?” !'!'•> *•'* •' *• *‘,*<'1*
S.*-Caskey, in the sermon which
he preached by frequest in the
M. 'E.< church, goaded theiBap-
tists soi that Anderson had to
“take him up,” or “show the white
feather.” Though it’s surprising
tliat'hedid not get some one else
to1 Represent the Baptist cause.
c Ed.—I suppose, then, Anderson
is too light for Caskey?
S.-^Entirely. They are an ^ilD
matched pair,” as. Robert Burns
said of “age” and'“want.”*' Am-
dersori has «■ the ' adrintage * In
quickness. **‘He gets over ground
faster than hie*opponent.' > But as
id that
ion of
“ban-
A
.—He majntafoe
isifdlfre^sliion of sins” cl'e-
tivelyl ^i^ou'jcocdd never
fibess hotir "ft?
Ed.—No.
BroU there were just five
parties interested—God,, the sin-
ner, the church, the world and the
devil. It was not declarative to
Godr for W- 'kietyfit;* hbr Co ihe
mmm*i tor he him-*...BaA.. if *xa Ewrs. iurad ^
self pardoned before baptism
to ttie church, for they
nor
must be-
lieve him pardoned before they
will baptize Kino ; ’ nor to the.
world,unless they believe that
ion;'but heard them on the deeigdtlie A™1 an l th® ctmrch !l8Te
to real argument and logical pow
er, there ie hardly ndy conipari^^""1^ of » 'number of us,
sob, Caskey is so far! superior.*
The former makes many light iickx,
but the latter deals a few tledge-
/tamrmtr'bloic#.'**'* v-t K*»vi»rK .K
• Ed.^^V'hat - seemed’ ttt be thW
general sentiment? h> ** <»
8.^-The general ^ebtiment, if*
not* the : universal sentiment, is
that Caskey demolishied Ander-
son on the communion qutt&Hoiv.
E(\.—How was* tTTe proposition
i}; !■? flOll r
alone have
the
Baptist
worde^f
S*—“Baptiste
right to commune
churches.”
Ed.—Anderson fiad the advan-
\ ~K *v * Yt* * "* J w t * > • \ M ^ • l$
tage in the wording of the propo-
sition. - - V, -'/f
8.—Yes, he wrote it himself,
and felt safely entrenched behind
the verbiage; but Caskey soon
made him evacuate the fort.
Ed.—How did he get at him?
8.—He told him if the Baptists
set the Lord’s table, it4was for the
Lord's people, and all had a right
to it; but if Anderson would take
the position that it was eimpiy a
Baptist table that# they set, he
(Bro. Caskey) would admit that
none but Baptists have a right to
it, and “they might just take it
and go to Guinea with it!”
Ed.—How about the design of
baptism? ^ -
8—Public opinion was divided
as to which was the victor on that
question. Bro. Caskey stated
that he was aware that he wus
placed at a disadvantage by popu-
lar prejudice against his affirma- .
lion; but would stand like Leoni- j*n^ln *avor
both life ! about ’it.’ then, he
said, it tfould be declarative to no
one but the devil, and if they
would'just baptize to deoiare it to
Satan, they might just go to !ihn.
and declare vit;»T Anderson 1’also;
made so die criticisms an but
Caskey said he “would not venture
on ittf\ lest lie should slip up, like
Bfo. Anderson did.” . ■
-Ed>How did they deport them-
selves? lr
8.-—Caskey did well, as usual—
only once did I think he trans-
cended the bounds of propriety,
and his Irish wit is to blame for
that. ' Ahdeiison tried to force up-'
am his attention a syllogism^ and
thoiq^^asily attacked, Caskey
fused to notice it, remarking that
be could soedlieri/fy part/but not'
IheV/ftfbt part; ^ ' !- o / . -n* ?•' j
bBdi*a-HoW about Anderson?
S.-^He* lowered himself in the
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IIE A VEI\
“Over die ri*er are
As we stand upon the
Tbhis sin sc^rche^ieart !i,
us.)0liAhe leaflets trees,
church record! Bro. Jas. Roberts,
of VallpyCrefck, saysthatgrapting
this to 'be
s<t(jce3sio]i
he brought Hie
ovqS: to us when he
for
^ncl
ivljing thun-1 k^pt the records id a boctlc which
dei/.df ^ftorm, a spirit j was his individual oroperty and
sadness and longing comes | }ie j|as book yet! It contains
oyer us, as we learn that theReau- the entire records of what was the
An Italian architect, who has
been employed for many years in
repairs upon the Vatican, was un-
ty and poetry of this life are
doomed^to death and decay; that
thefr glory and'yoyi fs 4k£ln^/of
them.^qr:,.Uiejr beauty, ^nd good-
ness^ as the expressions of the
perfections . pf the attribqtee of
Him who in mercy .has reserved
something s better for us in the
beautiful laud beyond,, where “the
fields are all green J! There the.
rose-bud of ffcqfer— never dies
the foiiagb of the beautiful trees
i * r if
nevef withers, the limpid Waters
of iife never fail. '-They 'have no1
desolate; shore, or, .'Barren,, ;Sand,
upon which the unfortunate will
stand nnd weep over the memo-
ries of , tha;, past.f But..instead
thereof, it is a summer Laud;• itsr
flowers are nerer*withering flow-
ers, its trees are’ the beautiful
grove of theimmoiiailniid, its ih-
habiiants are the ^redeemed bv
the blood'of Christ. ' Tlieir hotne
is the home of the just, “and its
name is heaveyi;” fitere we lt-pk
botfe us^to his courtesy and his
courage^ ‘He persisted in^the use
of thk offensive epiUuet, “Camp-
b4lK*t©s” and after agreeing to af-
firm “that the Baptist - ohurch is
the true church/^ he* ! backed
aquaarely jbut op the, last night.
He withdrew ,frpm tiie conflict
very abruptiy and discourteously,
saying heiwouid “debate no more
with such a man as Caskey;” but
the people could see lt^vas just a
pretext, as he neither proposed to
furnish another man, nor asked
Caskey to do so. d : r
Ed.—Was the debate well at-
tended ?
S.-^Qh, yes;{well attended and
passed off pleasantly - as debates
generally do. s ;
Ed.—What have yon done with
your tent?
S.—Put it away till spring; will
resume operations with it when
winter breaks.
MEd.—What is your programme
during the winter?
S.—rWill preach as I have op-
portunity, and if possible will is-
sue a second edition of the
“Haud-Book of Christian Evi-
dence.”
Ed.—First edition exhausted?
S.—Yes, over a year since, and
NOTEW FRf^M W. L.J.
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Bro. Barnett: r •.':?? :{i
In the Messengeb of Nov. 1st
is a mistake in an article of mine,
correcting a mistake of some
brother in the Preacher. I wrote
the article hurriedly and did not
re-read it. I sent you a card con-
cerning the mistake, but I suppose
you did not get it. The mistake
is this: “The ‘any other gospel’
Paul speaks of, is thq gospel of
Christ.” It should read thus:
I have, it .thoroughly revised—
ready for re-publication. _
Ed.—The Messenger is having
a boom; what, do you suppose, is|“Iu the passage mentioning ‘any
the cause of it?
S.—I am aware
and receiving
more
das with his little bai.d of Spai- i P'ltruD'lS9 th‘lu tver>
tans at the pass of Thermopylae Iu,e two l'eiis0,js for lt: Fu'st’ IJe°-
But public seDtiraeut was not half j ^le, 1,HVe abundant cotton crops
so much opposedfto him as he:
supposed. The Methodists listen-
ed with great candor and fairness. |
; Ed.— U hat is your own opinion
as to the merits of the discussion ? '
S. —Caskey adduced sufficient
,argument to prove conclusively
that “baptism is for remission; j
but did not have
and money is becoming plentiful
Second, the brethren have learned
that it is now on a soli l financial
basis—they ^realize that it is u
fixture—and, let me tell you,
“nothing succeeds like success.”
j other gospel,’ Paul speaks of the
that it is grow- j ‘gospel of Christ.’ • This Paul
preached.” In another article -
‘ Double-barrel Gun”—the print-
er made me say “they know how
to preach,” instead of “they know
haw to proceed.” A few other
\affiy Creek Baptist church.
There J^o.v^.;y,It is a popr rulet^t
don't work! botii/Jmv-L i
to-a
"rmTftVzmrmcir,
a man -on electioa- day;^‘tlmt
man pn your ticket,, wemlilknow is
a drunkard, and not fit for office.”
He replied: •DpunAard or no
ditinknid.T’m goingtotlie
parly!” Poor maid Kow-little
did he* understand of *hm jlrlVile^es
and responsibilities. Did hhy’
Christian man &ct*tlrfts for party
and agkihst principle^' Vbue’tm
principle, bddtbreh. ‘ ‘W. L. T.
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Leonard is a town of about one
hundred and fifty inhabitants. It
has'four saloons? The’ stiViotmd-
ing country is not ihidkly teettled,
only on two sicDs. Thi^ is A sad
comment on the morals 6f the
country./Tuenton , is ,qr qevqn
miles north-west pf .Jj^on^rd, &nd
is. not so large ajptace,;
fourli'salooos also. Suralj,9some
prohibitory measures are needed-
a^le to make a settlement witbfh
papal officers, and brought suit in
the Italian courts of justice. The
pope was represented by council,
who claimed that the court Lad no
jurisdiction over matters occurring
in the Vatican, basing the claim -
upon the ground that the jK>p&
has never yielded his rights as a
temporal sovereign, and hence the
ggtft I state** ims -no right to invade the
sacred province of the . Vatican.
The court overruled the papal
counsiTs plea of want of juris fic-
tion, which is a matter of vast mo-
ment to Italy, as it cJpens the Vat-
ican to the-sovereignty of the king
in all temporal concerns. The case
was thereupon appealed to the.
higher court of appeal, where the
papal counsel made the same claim
only to be defeated again, as the
higher court affirmed the decis-
ion ef the lower in the matter of
jurisdiction.
The effect of this decision is
that tha pope is not a sovereign,
tbufca citizen, and is liable to the
civil courts for any misdeineanur
or obligation, Mke any other citi-
zep. In any future case the war-
rants of the civil courtscan beserv-
seen in 3L&dia$3P' oncfe
weeks, dn an‘Javefage'. I livdd tfi'eW
1o fch
mdktkTemte
• - •
tin^maks day aighkibideo^s
wfitfchpaths ahd.
ist C4fl;i£fi»g
^isk
there was more whisky sold
Here we -mourn t,he weakness of
our nature; there we will rejoice
in the strengtE>ox.a«T)oautiful im-
mortality. Here in faith We trafel
over bog and g$eir; and hul and
dald, seeking a city that is oubof
sight; there We: will -stAndimpoa
the mountain's of God’s eterniky,
looking upon* that city “whose
builder*’’ ai/d maker is
“wffebe gates are peart and whose
streets M at-e * pavfict fl'with
Thei-e^the' stormedouds never
coipe, the lightniug"'never burns
and. the thunder-crash is. not,
heard. Upon that beau; iful and
far-off shore, wo fondly hope, to
live and enjoy all that enters into
lis beautiful delights, with a
knowledge and love made purqr
by haying lived in the sunshine] o£ the county f£or whifijky, ijfiprp-
and shade of this world, where, hibition • doesr-?not .prqhlhi^
the frosts have killed our. flowers
and death has carried away from
us our best and loved * ones, and
left us to grieve upon the shores
of time, with the bright hope that
we will meet where “the fields are
all green.’*. ' /.#■»'
ed not only within the walls of
th%! 'Vatic*®, but upon the pope
hfthsblf:. i The decision will un-
doubtedly cause an outburst of La-
r ,rr & Iic^Aut there is lio{ a European
ivdd tWeVo. fti . *7*
power that will dare ^ question
its righteousness Jn refusing
tile qutnurtaes bffened by the itcd-
iatr-gob«mi»erfL ‘tha^K>pe has saw-
off the limb upon which he sat.
n spoke, the
tp get itwuwwft ti&msse.
ards J \yoilld ’^o 1 oiit^of *‘Mitl&in
county aiiil dH ‘thdy' Wrfht^ttT
Why go out of Tannin, if their
fifc*.statement be^mei^.^pt^hus
reasoned ap an t^pjvaiubjtioqisk pi,,
publicly^ disposing thi^questfiop
a short tiBW siaoe.. g#te;
question he has DoHmswered yet.
Surely tlie^re ‘ftlukt bie ldinenesi’ in
both limbs—morals and kdason!*'
W. L. Thurman. '*
Y.aUey Crfeek, Dec. 11. 1
m* • +—:—*^-
»» A I
Clergy
ry.where the
edves as mde-
.TSi’J •
pendant of, ar^L^b^ve the civil
laWN.orIfintj*|' were^efifedlto appear
bfforwiim triboaalfofBb.) Peter, to
ansuwr for their oanduct^ placed
their necks bunthiyr* beneath the
pftpal fcK)t, and^li^llf their crowns
at the mercy of the pope.1 Once
,a jiUiqJ'.a_ .
he could compel afl emperor w>
‘‘go to'Canhossa/' and wait three
days for an audieDce’in’ the bold
printer’s mistakes 1 couhl note. m
P»»raaj)s they are excusable. My J street, Louisville, Ky
handwriting may not be as good
{is most of your writers. W.L.T.
Our
clocks.
brains are
The angel
j Speaking of the reformation in
seventy-year the Mahoning association, a Bap-
of life winds tiet preacher once said in my liear-
. tlmo tli—1:u44ce | them up once for all, then closes ■ in^ that the few who did not go
all the objections raised by Ins | tjie case HUCi gives the.key into| with the reformation constituted
opponent. He attacked Anderson 3 J the hands of the angel of the res- ! the true succession line of that as-
ii-irt formidable positions, hew-' urrectiou.—O. W. Holmes. sociation because they kept the
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Burnett, Thomas R. Christian Messenger. (Bonham, Tex.), Vol. 8, No. 42, Ed. 1 Wednesday, December 13, 1882, newspaper, December 13, 1882; Bonham, Texas. (https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth913933/m1/2/: accessed July 17, 2024), University of North Texas Libraries, The Portal to Texas History, https://texashistory.unt.edu.; crediting Bonham Public Library.